ABORTION THREAD

Why is this in Random? Because this thread is now ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!

Muslim - "It's not a person, it's an infidel."
Ancient Catholic - "It's not a person, it's a heathen."
Rome - "It's not a person, it's a barbarian."
Colonial slavers - "It's not a person, it's a nigger."
Salem Puritans - "It's not a person, it's a witch."
Nazis - "It's not a person, it's a Jew."
Islamic fascists - "It's not a person, it's a woman."
Pro-abortionists - "It's not a person, it's a fetus."

The thing that grants us our "inalienable" rights is rationality; the ability to to life, liberty and property. See, outside of the state of nature (see: Hobbes), man requires the use of his rationality to perpetuate his existence. Philosophically speaking, this is called "living rationally." And to live rationally in society, man requires freedom of action, so that he may engage in the actions necessary to support his own life. And that's where our RIGHT to life comes from, from which the others (liberty, property, pursuit of happiness) derive from. Despite not having the faculty for it yet, doesn't mean a fetus is not something less than human simply because it hasn't developed its rational ability (and won't, for some time AFTER it's born). Just like, if you hit your head and black out, it doesn't mean you're less than human until you wake up.

See what I'm getting at here?

Natural selection is a wonderful thing. Nature used it over millions of years to create us. So what makes us think Human selection is far greater?


That's my perception on it. This isn't to discuss if it should be legal or not, obviously no government should tell you what you can or can't do. I just want to hear what you all think, and reply to my stance if you want.

I think that the action of an abortion is a horrible thing. In later trimester cases of an abortion, they basically stick a vacuum in the uterus and suck the baby out. But the action aside, the concept and though behind it is good. Can't have that baby because you can't support it? Kay we'll remove it. What pisses me off about it though is the people who abuse this system just because they don't want a baby. If you can't afford to support a child, then get rid of it, otherwise too fucking bad, have the poor kid and set him up for adoption if you REALLY don't want it. To be honest, don't even GET an abortion, rationalize it all you want, but that child is alive as soon as sperm meets egg. If you can't have it or don't want it, please, just give it up for adoption...

OR, you could kill it. Just sayin'.

I think everyone knows my stance on abortion. I'm fucking gung ho about it. pro-abortion, anti-breeding.

Cody: there's no proof that it's alive the moment the sperm hits the egg. In fact, there's no proof that YOU or anybody else is alive at all, except based on chemical and electrical activity in the brain and perceived actions. if you wanna get really philosophical though (since philosophy is the "explain shit" part of religion minus the LOL JESUS) everything we perceive could just be made up by our brains that don't exist.

Davis: I don't think anybody believes that abortion is some sort of selection that tries to take the place of natural selection. things die. humans kill things. we're allowed to do that, being animals part of nature. everything that we can do is "natural" though we may feel it's not. nature gave us the ability to decide what to kill and to make reasons for things. there are already so fucking many of us that i don't think offing a few million babies a year is gonna impact natural selection... really, at all.

just my two gil.

Ordin wrote:Cody: there's no proof that it's alive the moment the sperm hits the egg. In fact, there's no proof that YOU or anybody else is alive at all, except based on chemical and electrical act

Quote cut off because that's where I face palmed. I felt so embarrassed for you. Just shut the fuck up seriously, you sound like one of those Platonic debaters who bring your bullshit "QUESTION REALITY" convoluted crap into arguments. If I were you I'd save myself the embarrassment of anyone else reading your post and edit that out then edit the quote out of my post.

Good Christ I hope you're trolling.

Good so I wasn't the only one who thought that was retarded.

There have been studies done to find exactly when a baby is considered alive and they were able to figure out that it is at the zygote stage. I'll talk to my biology teacher about where I can find it and I'll do a little more digging when I'm not on my iPod touch. But studies aside, would you consider a cell a living organism?

no, i wouldn't consider a cell a living organism. your body is covered in cells. sperm is a cell. they're biological material but not "alive". a mass of biological material is not a living organism.

also, davis: NEWSFLASH, i don't think you exist.

Yeah I agree, cells are not living by scientific definition:

• Homeostasis
  
• Organization
  
• Metabolism
  
• Growth
  
• Adaptation
  
• Response to stimuli
  
• Reproduction

And I always agree with science.

http://thepaincomics.com/Babies%20Are%20Assholes.jpg

"Death" is not bad or good, it just is. And given that thy are not sentient at all when most abortions take place, I hesitate to qualify the ceaseing of their vital functions as "death".

If we impose our ideas about morality between the living people in our little created society on zygotes, we've lost it. A zygote may have the possible potential to be human, but if you step back another step, so does the junk I squirt in my hand every night, or the menstrual blood that leaks down a woman's leg. Things smaller than my thumb with less brain power than a mouse are not people. They aren't even on the level of cats to me-I'd abort a thousand fetuses with a coat hanger and a bottle of Drano to save a kitty. Hell, I'd chew them right out of the womb after making a Ceasarion cut.

Fuck anyone who thinks banning abortion makes sense. It'll work as well as the ban on drugs has.

Toothpick wrote:http://thepaincomics.com/Babies%20Are%20Assholes.jpg

"Death" is not bad or good, it just is. And given that thy are not sentient at all when most abortions take place, I hesitate to qualify the ceaseing of their vital functions as "death".

If we impose our ideas about morality between the living people in our little created society on zygotes, we've lost it. A zygote may have the possible potential to be human, but if you step back another step, so does the junk I squirt in my hand every night, or the menstrual blood that leaks down a woman's leg. Things smaller than my thumb with less brain power than a mouse are not people. They aren't even on the level of cats to me-I'd abort a thousand fetuses with a coat hanger and a bottle of Drano to save a kitty. Hell, I'd chew them right out of the womb after making a Ceasarion cut.

Fuck anyone who thinks banning abortion makes sense. It'll work as well as the ban on drugs has.

I knew you of all people wouldn't be able to resist posting here. Look Blake, it goes without saying that there's no such thing as universal morality and that nothing is inherently good or bad. The universe is a totally uncaring place--we know. But nihilism isn't fun or interesting in the least. Really I just want to kill all of you who don't have any moral standing on death -- and that's totally fine. I could do it because I'm craftier and more fit for killing. You wouldn't be able to stop me because I would do something like put poison in your air conditioner or your water pipes. I don't know, maybe people like you need the constant threat of imminent death to care about anything.

That having been said, everything you say just sounds pretentious.

Trevlac wrote:

I knew you of all people wouldn't be able to resist posting here. Look Blake, it goes without saying that there's no such thing as universal morality and that nothing is inherently good or bad. The universe is a totally uncaring place--we know. But nihilism isn't fun or interesting in the least. Really I just want to kill all of you who don't have any moral standing on death -- and that's totally fine. I could do it because I'm craftier and more fit for killing. You wouldn't be able to stop me because I would do something like put poison in your air conditioner or your water pipes. I don't know, maybe people like you need the constant threat of imminent death to care about anything.

That having been said, everything you say just sounds pretentious.

You made no effort to even try to engage my argument.
You instead made vaguely threatening statements and launched a ad hominem by calling me pretentious.

I reiterate my utter contempt for the anti-abortion idea.
I challenge you to discuss this with me logically.

Blake, fuck you.

Furious Angels > Nexus > Random

I don't have to engage your "argument" if you want to call it that. This is just a randomness thread. God damn, get off your pretentious high horse buckaroo.

lol, oops

OP IS A GHEY PRETTYMAN WHO WANTS BABIES TO LIVE SO S"HE" CAN MAKE CARNAL PEDOPENETRATION TO THEM!!!!

Maybe. Don't judge me!

Trevlac wrote:Yeah I agree, cells are not living by scientific definition:

• Homeostasis
  
• Organization
  
• Metabolism
  
• Growth
  
• Adaptation
  
• Response to stimuli
  
• Reproduction

And I always agree with science.

Nevermind then, my argument is invalid then :C.

Daius wrote:

Trevlac wrote:Yeah I agree, cells are not living by scientific definition:

• Homeostasis
  
• Organization
  
• Metabolism
  
• Growth
  
• Adaptation
  
• Response to stimuli
  
• Reproduction

And I always agree with science.

Nevermind then, my argument is invalid then :C.

Goddamn right it is.